This was a bit of a hidden gem (and, I’ll warn you, it’s a bit of a book promo for the interviewer), but I’m so glad I found it.

It’s essentially an interview between freelancer Penny Hawes and Linda Formichelli of The Renegade Writer.

It’s a bit of a testimonial for this book, but the story is still intriguing. I haven’t read the book, so I’m not endorsing. I just thought this story was interesting and useful.

One of the most useful parts was hearing how Penny got out of her comfort zone and admitting to herself what her annual income would be as a freelancer.

Here’s what she said about it. 

“So, I went through the tactics,  like getting out of my comfort zone, because I set an income goal for myself this year of $77,000 from my writing, which is for me, like…now I can say it out loud and not feel like I’m going to pass out, but for a while, even thinking that number was like, “You’ve got to be crazy. There’s no way. “

But I decided, yes, I was going to do that and so the more I wrote it down and typed it, and integrated things to remind me of that. Like even into passwords. I’ve got little references to that on computer passwords and everything, so it got me out of my comfort zone, but I sort of surrounded myself…

It’s like immersion therapy, when you’re scared of spiders and they just like cover you with spiders or something.”

I love the idea of immersion therapy when you’re scared out of your mind at the thought of growing as a freelancer.

Download or view the full PDF at The Renegade Writer.